In this thread someone was trying to trade one of his QBs but one of them retired = http://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/forums/2/797?page=0#4547

What I would like to see happen is you can TRADE for a retired player then try to talk him out of retirement in that having this would be a risk - reward tied to it.

The Risk would be he could still retire and you are now short of a player at a position
the reward would be he could decide to play another year or more and helping your team in the process.

also there should be factors that go in effect with this in that if the team that trades for him is like 1 player away from winning the super bowl or making the playoffs he should think more about wanting to come back awhile if a team that has no virtually chance of making the playoffs then maybe he should think he should just stay retired.

If a player is retired his contract is voided. So you wouldn't have the rights to him to be able to make the trade.

Not all the way. The team is still responsible for bonus money.

Grabbed this off the internet. When a player retires the team loses the rights to him and everything moves to the current year.

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retiring is like being cut, in that bonuses and signing bonuses accelerate.

there is language in contracts about guaranteed money and it pretty much says that if the player retires, then it's not guaranteed anymore.

Teams can go after a player who retires, and get portions back signing bonus and stuff. this happened with barry sanders.

to sum up, a retirement means that both parties agree the contract ends, dead money hits the cap (all pro rated bonuses accelerate to that year - with a possible share into the next year), and the team does have the right to go after some of that bonus money and get it back and get it off the cap.

EDIT: to clarify, that guaranteed money always have a condition on it, it is guaranteed against injury, or guaranteed against skill. That money is never guaranteed against retirement.

So guaranteed against injury means you get that salary if you are injured and cannot play. But the team can cut you if they want (and you are healthy) and you don't get paid. that language is used all the time, and it can be played up as 'guaranteed money'.

What most people think of 'guaranteed' is when it is guaranteed against skill, meaning that if the team cuts you because they replaced you with someone better, then you still get that money.

No where does the contract say the salary is guaranteed and you get that money no matter what even if you get up and just leave the nfl.

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Agreed. However, that's not how it works in this game. All that bonus money goes to dead cap. While on the surface this looks like something that should immediately fixed, my position is that the only thing difficult about free agency right now is rolling the dice on veterans retiring, so I prefer to keep it until free agency gets more complex (for instance front or back loading bonuses, correcting what contracted players will resign for, and the MFN community realizing that everyone is undervaluing free agents)

I do not believe this to be true.

If a player retires and he still has years left on that contract that team still holds his rights for as many seasons that are left on the contract.

I remember when Barry Sanders retired lots of teams wanted him to come out of retirement but they needed to negotiate with Detroit. He wasnt coming out of retirement but the team still held all rights to him I believe for the next 4 seasons. Same as WR Johnson considering retirement, lots of teams would still want him but again would have to trade for his rights through Detroit

you are right.

remember NY Jets had to trade for the rights of Brett Favre from green bay packers then once he got free from them he played for a season there then he went and signed with Minnesota Vikings.

mainly that's why I said for the ability to trade for retired player and talk them into coming back.

though probably should see if I can change that to trade for their rights.

Jerod Mayo just retired from the Patriots and yes he did open cap space but the Pats are still responsible for the bonus money owed to him. I believe its close to 3 mil cap hit for next season