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Cutting of graduating players Vote

When should teams be required to cut graduates?

Before season's end to allow all transfers three weeks to decide their team?
15
Once new season starts before the first Free Agency spin occurs giving transfers two weeks of free agency but allowing teams cap relief on the longer contracts?
10

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By Michael77
6/18/2018 3:14 pm
I am 75 percent sure about this anyway...lol.

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By hchoudhry17
6/18/2018 3:18 pm
The hit for the current season is what you already pay the guy for the season its not a penny more than his current salary plus bonus. I promise you that much.

Example:

QB Bob Jones is an 11 year vet on my team and his contract is structured like this:

2023: Salary- 1 Million Bonus- 3 Million
2024: Salary-1.5 Million Bonus- 3 Million
2025: Salary- 2 Million Bonus- 3 Million

If it is during the postseason of year 2023 and i cut Jones, I will incur a dead salary hit of 4 Million this season and save 0, and a hit of 6 Million next season and save 1.5 Million. Notice that you are paying the man 4 million anyways year 2023. So the dead hit basically means you are paying the man his normal 2023 salary after you cut him, you don't gain or lose money. Therefore, THERE IS NO NEGATIVE NET CAP HIT ON YOUR TEAM IN 2023. In 2024, however, I'd incur a net negative of 1.5 million. Make sense?

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By Michael77
6/18/2018 3:23 pm
Yeah I see what you're saying. So you could cut that player even in week one if you wanted to and your current cap for the season wouldn't be affected? It just affects the future seasons? If that's true I am fretting for nothing..lol

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By kicker10bog
6/18/2018 3:24 pm
Michael77 wrote:
It's not discarded because I tried to cut someone from another league who is in the playoffs and it said that 5 million would be counted against this season's cap and something like 8 million for next seasons cap. So you would take a hit on the current season. And if your salary cap is to the max (some, including myself, like to spend every last penny) , then you will be put into salary cap purgatory. Only way you wouldn't be is if you were allowed to cut them on the very last sim of the season.


I said that it's discarded if cut at the EOS sim.

I didn't think the new rule said we can't wait for the EOS, but I'm not sure. The wording seems to indicate it would be ok to do so, at least the way I read it. "season ending spin" being the actual sim time of the EOS sim.

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By hchoudhry17
6/18/2018 3:26 pm
No week 1 in 2023, you would save 1 Million and incur a hit of 3 million. Basically, you're on the hook for that current bonus money for that season regardless if he's on or off the roster at any point that year. Salary is distributed over the course of the regular season. So if you cut him in week 1, you save all that salary money. If you cut him week 16 or anytime after week 16, you are on the hook for all that salary in this season, but again, since you already paid him for the season, it will not negatively impact your cap (your cap will stay the same for the remainder of the season). So it doesn't matter if u cut him the day after the regular season ends or the day before the new season begins.

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By Michael77
6/18/2018 3:27 pm
Kicker, I originally understood it meant the second you were eliminated from playoffs or out of contention you had to cut them. But I think that would be too much to police.
Last edited at 6/18/2018 3:28 pm

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By Bryson10
6/18/2018 9:17 pm

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By EJRue
6/19/2018 6:57 am
Taking HC's example below, cutting an 11 year guy at the end of year 11, compared to allowing for season rollover and cutting 1st day of year 12.

Cut year 11 - 6M cap hit in year 12
Cut year 12 - 3M cap hit in year 12 and 3M cap hit in year 13

I prefer cut EOS year 11, but harder to police. If EOS year 11 is the rule, and someone waits until year 12 they would defer 3M of cap hit from year 12 to year 13.

But if the rule is 1st day of year 12, owners could choose to cut before EOS year 11, thus electing to take the cap hit in year 12 instead of spreading it out over two year. This would require less policing.

hchoudhry17 wrote:
The hit for the current season is what you already pay the guy for the season its not a penny more than his current salary plus bonus. I promise you that much.

Example:

QB Bob Jones is an 11 year vet on my team and his contract is structured like this:

2023: Salary- 1 Million Bonus- 3 Million
2024: Salary-1.5 Million Bonus- 3 Million
2025: Salary- 2 Million Bonus- 3 Million

If it is during the postseason of year 2023 and i cut Jones, I will incur a dead salary hit of 4 Million this season and save 0, and a hit of 6 Million next season and save 1.5 Million. Notice that you are paying the man 4 million anyways year 2023. So the dead hit basically means you are paying the man his normal 2023 salary after you cut him, you don't gain or lose money. Therefore, THERE IS NO NEGATIVE NET CAP HIT ON YOUR TEAM IN 2023. In 2024, however, I'd incur a net negative of 1.5 million. Make sense?

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By Bryno
6/19/2018 7:01 am

Re: Cutting of graduating players Vote

By hchoudhry17
6/19/2018 7:26 am
Issue with that would be teams would be unsure if all the transfers are available day 1 and won't be sure how much cap to invest when other unknown people are available